In this episode...

I speak with Dr. Richard Schwartz, the founder of an evidence-based psychotherapeutic model called Self-Leadership (also known as Internal Family System’s therapy or IFS) that is widely recognized as one of the most compassionate and comprehensive psychotherapies available. He is on the faculty of the department of psychiatry at the Harvard Medical School.

Self-Leadership is basically a sophisticated owner’s manual for the mind. It gives users a real-time pathway to routinely instigate new neural connections within their mindbody system—the holy grail of skill acquisition and learning.

Psychotherapists love Self-Leadership because it literally makes our work easier—and according to the country’s largest provider of continuing education for mental health professionals, they can’t keep up with the demand for courses that teach it. I learned IFS more than 10 years ago and it transformed my practice by giving me a kind of x-ray vision to decode the sometimes paradoxical or bizarre ways that developmental trauma shows up in the mind, behavior, and in resistance from clients or students to staying on course.

Self-Leadership recognizes that our psyche is made up of different parts (feelings, thoughts, beliefs, behavior patterns or somatic sensations), sometimes called subpersonalities. For example, one part of you might be trying to lose weight and another part might want to eat whatever you want. This is called natural multiplicy of the mind and is a radical paradigm shift from other psychologies that view the mind as either “normal” or “abnormal.”

inside out characters
Pixar consulted with the IFS-Institute and Dr. Richard Schwartz in production of Inside Out.

Schwartz’s model offers a hopeful alternative to the increasingly obsolete, pathological language in the DSM, most especially the “untreatable” Axis II personality disorders such as narcissistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, and antisocial personality disorder (formerly known as psychopathy or sociopathy). 

I ask Dr. Schwartz to share an overview of IFS and why he thinks it’s such a radical departure from conventional psychology.

Too Much and Never Enough

We also speak about the Mary Trump book Too Much and Never Enoughand I get Dick’s thoughts on the effects of abuse that occurs in families like Trump’s. 

To survive as a child...[Trump] had to exile all of those [parts of him that could be sensitive to others]. And when you see him you can see what a little kid he is. It's not okay what he's doing to the country, but you just know how much fear is in that man...that drives all his narcissism....

About Dr. Richard Schwartz

Richard Schwartz began his career as a systemic family therapist and an academic. Grounded in systems thinking, Dr. Schwartz developed Internal Family Systems (IFS) in response to clients’ descriptions of various parts within themselves. He focused on the relationships among these parts and noticed that there were systemic patterns to the way they were organized across clients. 

Dr. Richard Schwartz

He also found that when the clients’ parts felt safe and were allowed to relax, the clients would experience spontaneously the qualities of confidence, openness, and compassion that Dr. Schwartz came to call the Self. He found that when in that state of Self, clients would know how to heal their parts.

A featured speaker for national professional organizations, Dr. Schwartz has published many books and over fifty articles about IFS.

Share this


Episode 10

Help Support SOLS!

Hey! I hope you've been touched in some way by my work producing more than 70 episodes over the last two years and agree with me that this show really helps people live more purposeful, healthy, and vibrant lives.
Would you please become a financial supporter? Your gift and the ways you can interact with me "behind the scenes" can make The Soul of Life even more amazing and reach more people.

Support SOLs on Patreon →